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Wednesday, March 18, 2015

SPOILERS: Batman Eternal #50


Look, I could go off on this, I really could, and I already sort of did on twitter... But I'm going to wait until next week to see where it goes, because I (possibly stupidly) feel there's still a chance of redemption.

The Spoilers:

So while Jason and the GCPD find Gordon and Rex completely fine, Killer Croc ushers Penguin away from Black Gate. Elsewhere, Batman fixes everyone's problems, except for Batgirl who handled Joker's Daughter just fine. Then whoever is supposedly behind this all invites Batman to the Beacon tower. One shock of electricity later and it's Cluemaster, claiming Batman just had to follow the clues.

Uh-huh. Right.

END.

The Opinion:

Like I said, I'm going to wait this out. Safe to say, this was my reaction reading the issue this morning (I even made sure not to flip through it beforehand): 


Because, what the fuck? The entire morning I've been trying to figure out what clues Cluemaster is talking about? Sure, I've seen people guess that Cluemaster is the bad guy, but you know what their reasoning is? "Just because" basically. They're admittedly just taking shots in the dark because, who'd expect the third-rate Riddler, who anyone could just punch in the face and be done with? That's going to be the problem if this issue is the truth and not one final red herring, who the hell cares about Cluemaster? Nothing here has elevated him to someone to be taken this seriously other than a potential issue of him just giving exposition explaining why he totally set everything up and is totally awesome. 

Honestly, I just don't buy it at this point. Call it stupid optimism or denial, whatever, I'm finding it hard to care. I'm at one last bet that we'll get a final twist in the next two issues, because let's follow Cluemaster's advice and actually follow the clues. I'd love for the next issue to try and justify/explain how all of this:





Somehow equals this:


Straight up just doesn't make sense. So next week, we're getting one of two issues... Either this is a red herring and Cluemaster isn't to be believed, or we're getting a ton of exposition with the book hastily trying to patch together an explanation of why this should make sense.

50 comments :

  1. Total bull. Of its clue master then it's Snyder and the writers attempts to one up fans who called them out with the evidence from the book pointing to Lincoln

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    1. Any evidence that seems to point to Lincoln could equally be indicating that it's Owlman.

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    2. You know what? That would be a pretty cool twist actually

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  2. It's... I don't know what to say... Cluemaster. Why is he "darker half"? Why Bruce is in the owls place in Endgame part I? Who is the fake Bruce Wayne... Clayface? IT'S SO... ANTI-CLIMACTIC. And... wasn't Cluemaster kinda bullied by Hush in one of the issues? NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. It's Lincoln March! I vote for Lincoln March... please... be it Lincoln March. On the positive side... if it IS Lincoln... DC sure made a nice move.

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  3. Ok, guys, I get it. Open issue #40. There is the ...ahem... clue. The villains, including Cluemaster and Clayface are present, and the "Mastermind" is talking to them through the speaker. It could have been Hush... but Hush is imprisoned in Batcave. So there is someone else. Definetly, someone else... it can't be just a voice recording, since the "Mastermind" coordinated the bat tech arrival and the mercenaries. Both Hush and Cluemaster were under arrest at the time. So yeah, still chance!! A big one.

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    1. Or... mysterious voice is Cluemaster's wife. We are fucked.

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  4. This is a complete and utter BS. I tired to let Snyder and the rest of the writing crew slide by but this is just nonsense. Cluemaster a joke and they've only made me realize how much Im not at all interested in year 2 of eternal now.

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  5. Question for you spoiler, do you feel like the current writer for the batman family of books is really capable of balancing all the bat family member ? I personally like Luke fox as a character and red hood but they seem to be shelved to the back in favor of bluebird and spoiler

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  6. We all need to accept it. It's Cluemaster. Reading issue #11 again, his backstory. Also, the Riddler's riddle was like that: "Dads old news I place my bet on daughters".

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  7. In addition to all the "clues" pointed out above as to why it can't be Cluemaster, remember that in issue #3 Cluemaster was at the table with Lock-Up, Firefly, and Signalman along with Hush who was standing behind them. Also, in issue #24, Cluemaster gets fucking arrested by the state police until he busts out and appears in issue #40 for the distribution of Batman's weapons. Additionally, he couldn't be both there and on the loudspeaker since it couldn't be a recorded conversation. Also, if he really is the big bad, that would mean Cluemaster broke into the Batcave to free Hush a couple issues ago. Unless the Eternal writes pull something big out their ass in the next 2 issues, Cluemaster can't and shouldn't be the big bad. And, if he is, then his entire convoluted plot was foiled just because his daughter walked in on him having a villainous meeting? Ridiculous

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  8. If Cluemaster is the one who did all this, I kinda like the concept. Rather than making every story about the designated "big" villains, the notion of a C-list villain figuring out a way to enact such a big plan is interesting as an idea. But in some ways it also feels like a forced way of making Stephanie Brown's return more "big and important" than it needs to be(especially since the appeal of that character has always seemed to be more that she's a screwup who keeps striving to get better rather than her being the star of "big, epic" adventures), and even with that twist the story as a whole was still paced poorly. I actually kind of hope Lincoln March isn't gonna show up, even though I still think it's pretty likely he will, simply because I think it'll be lame if they blow his big return on two issues of a total mess of a storyline that didn't live up to the talent of the creators in charge of it.

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  9. FIRST!...that gif is awesome.SECOND!...its Lincoln March doing all this. THIRD! If its not Lincoln march i will burn issues 1-52 of Eternal record it and post it on gothamspoilers.com.

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    1. ... and I will give you a standing ovation as I watch it.

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  10. So you guys are saying cluemaster isn't ready for the main event? Damn, first Roman Reigns and now this. :P

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  11. I agree he shouldn't be the mastermind here. We'll see next week hopefully. Also, maybe they will explain how Penguin gets out of Blackgate after showing Gordon knocking the snot out of him, tying him up, and closing the cell door in #49.

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  12. I'll take Cluemaster if it means the Lincoln supporters will shut up. The writing staff already said no one across any message board they'd ever seen figured it out. Lincoln was one of the earliest guesses. The master,ind isn't Limcoln.

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  13. So like, I've been hashing out the clues and thinking fun little thoughts like; Magpies are little birds. Then again, so are Robins and Bluebirds (what's Marcus Row and Harper's mom been up to?). Um, Talia is a prominent, missing, and currently-resurrected-prior-to-this "daughter". I've NEVER heard "your other half" or "half" used to refer to siblings but it's always used to describe couples.

    So yeah, random thoughts, but pertinent ones, I think, to ponder before next week.

    But it's totally not Cluemaster, Dear everyone, stop freaking out. (Sidenote: It's totally Doctor Hurt)

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    1. Accept it, it's him. While the reveal isn't satisfying fandom-wise... story-wise it's perfect.

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  14. Also, 'his darker half' is referring to Batman's mental state, not the big bad. Some 'clues' aren't actually clues.

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    1. My main comment keeps not showing up. So I'll keep trying to repost.

      There were plenty of clues. Issue 11. The interlude with Steph's mom and her bounty hunter. His absence after being enthusiastic about 'going to town.' Riddler's 'dads and daughters.' And of course last week's conversation. It's pretty obvious in hindsight.

      This late in the game it was the only option left, it works thematically, and it solve a few plot holes as well.

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    2. Still, I don't get it why Steph saw Bruce Wayne.

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    3. It was probably Hush. No matter who it was, Brown knows it wasn't actually Bruce Wayne, because if you go back to issue 11 you'll realize that Brown would never, ever knowingly work for a rich douche like Bruce Wayne.

      Someone could have played the same role Riddler played in the first Hush story, but that's the only possibility of something like a 'bigger bad' at this point.

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  15. Has to be a misdirect. Tynion is vamping pretty hard in that MTV interview, going out of his way not to claim this is the final answer.

    The alternative is that the story makes absolutely no sense. Like, less sense than the original Hush story made. Like, less sense than "C for Catwoman".

    Gotta be a misdirect.

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    1. No... it is not. But there is sure enough space for surprises. I would like to see Cluemaster actually changing his appearance for the finale to something more sinister. Final boss!

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    2. In order for it to be Cluemaster, we have to accept not only that Brown is secretly the smartest guy in the room, underestimated by everyone, but that:

      - He somehow deduced that Bruce Wayne is Batman and didn't tell anyone;

      - He inserted himself into his own scheme as an underling of Hush, presumably to "hide in plain sight" - even though he had no one to hide FROM because no one suspected him in the first place;

      - He broke into the Batcave without being detected by anyone;

      - He was able to convince Hush, Milo, Tetch, and Falcone to do his bidding without any of them knowing who he was;

      - He was able to continue operating his plan even though he spent sixteen issues of this series in jail;

      - He had a double of Bruce Wayne available to him, but never used "Bruce" except to misdirect his daughter who was spying on him;

      - He is somehow Batman's "darker half";

      - BUT despite all of this he openly held meetings with his partners in his house where his daughter could walk in on him at any time. Despite having access to some sort of supernatural demon, Mad Hatter nanobots, the entirety of Batman Incorporated's arsenal, and having the GCPD in his pocket, his plan was to screw up all the traffic lights and then have Firefly burn everything.

      Sure thing.

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    3. Thank you for this breakdown. I couldn't agree more.

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  16. There's no way it's Cluemaster. We've seen Cluemaster talking to the big bad at least once.

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    1. I'm talking about real early in the series when Steph is spying on the baddies figuring out the plan in Cluemaster's apartment. The person talking from the shadows is who Steph thought was Bruce. So, only two people I know who look like Bruce are Hush and March.

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    2. Just pointing out that Hush no longer looks like Bruce, so there's that.

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    3. I haven't seen him without his bandages so I didn't know. At last I don't think I have. Who knows? All I know is, it isn't cluemaster. Lol

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  17. It's definitely more feasible that Crystal Brown is the big bad than Arthur Brown at this point, just on the basis that there's no factual (as in, events we witnessed that won't need to be retconned) alterations or exposition dumps needed for it to be so.

    That seems totally weird though. She'd be so powerful and clever that something as obvious and attention-calling as hiring Killshot would threaten to expose her whole involvement, plus Catwoman gets the easy jump on the big bad? But still, more likely than Arthur, who has made specific mentions of somebody else footing the bill for the operation.

    Plus there's simultaneity. While "???" was in the Bat-Cave punching Alfred and Julia around and giving Hush the Bat-Computer, Cluemaster was in a helicopter with Spoiler.

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    1. No... he infiltrated Batcave in #47 and was in helicopter in #48. Plus, look at the silhouette in #47... it has "ears" of Cluemaster's mask.

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  18. Damn it, the mastermind is a guy who tries to cosplay Scorpion, Ermac and Noob Saibot at the same time...

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    1. An interesting point-Alfred was awake and only a few feet from the intruder when he said 'Tommy it's time.' So Alfred heard his voice. If he had recognized the voice he would have told Bruce before he headed off to beacon tower. So he didn't recognize it.

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    2. That whole scene is really strange. It's never stated outright that the person who breaks in is the mastermind, I guess - we're assuming that.

      But whoever breaks in is able to get in (keep in mind that the route through the house is sealed off, and Joker's face got fried in Endgame trying to get in another way), disable the electricity, and get the drop on both Julia and Alfred. Also this person is referred to by Hush as "a friend of the family", but as you note Alfred doesn't act like he recognizes his/her voice.

      Exactly none of that says "Cluemaster" - but to be fair it doesn't say anyone except March or Hurt. Dent?

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    3. It's Cluemaster. No Lincoln, Dent, Hurt... well, maybe a little of Hush and Bane. Arthur Brown is the big bad.

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  19. HAHAHAHAHA LOL Lulz... *farts*

    Seriously, who cares? It's like FHIZ says: either there will be an issue of hasty explication trying to retroactively justify why Cluemaster is the Big Bad and how the previous 50 issues TOTALLY prove it... or it's yet another Red Herring and it's Lincoln March. I actually think that if this is an 11th Hour misdirect, it will be funny that everyone lost their shit over it, making it kind of great... insofar as anything in this lame series can be considered so.

    Of course, it really could be Snyder et al. just trying to be way too clever (and mayyyybeeee stick it to everyone who said it would be Lincoln March). And if that's the case, it deserves all the derision it gets.

    Either way still glad I dropped this book halfway through.

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  20. Obviously a final red herring. Somebody on the staff thinks the readers are idiots. The issue was excellent aside from that.

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    1. Respectfully, I think it's only "obviously" a red herring if you assume everything that has happened in the series should be cohesive and adhere to logical consistency. I'd like to believe that, but most of this series hasn't made sense. At this point, I think the book totally has it in it to end in such a terrible way. The fact that's even conceivable bespeaks how poorly written and paced the story has been.

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    2. I think the book's been mostly great. It's just been dragging here towards the end. The only other flaws I can see are maybe including that horrid Joker's Daughter (so glad Babs didn't need Batman's help taking her down) and some of the timeline inconsistencies. Otherwise, I'm glad I started reading it and look forward to the next "season".

      I just hope they make the next Eternal a little tighter.

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  21. I went back (and recommend everyone else to also) to look at the "batsgiving" poster that supposedly laid out all the batman eternal plans and was loaded with clues. Either that entire poster was BS, editorial dictates ruined the creators original plan ie nightwing, or the creators just straight lost their way and have been struggling to make anything connect. Regardless not one damn thing in the poster says 'CLUEMASTER'. It barely says anything that could be Lincoln March. I also am starting to come around to the way of thinking that having it be Lincoln this late in the series is a complete waste of a great villian.

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    1. Really, that owl in the tree on Batsgiving picture doesn't say "Lincoln March" to you? Pretty much everything in that poster played a part, except for blonde Nightwing. Jason Bard, Professor Pyg, Stephanie Brown, Alfred in a straight jacket, Gordon in cuffs, Julia Pennyworth - all had a part.

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  22. http://www.mtv.com/news/2111891/exclusive-batman-eternal-51/ .....

    So they're telling us Gotham is brought down to the ground by Cluemaster, Firefly, Lock-Up, and Signalman acting alone?

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    1. I don't consider Firefly to be as big a loser as those other guys.

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    2. That's fair haha especially considering the Nightwing Annual. And any of these guys really aren't "losers" per se if they're working under someone else as they'd be useful in their own ways. But as a Cabal of genius villains concocting a grand plan to destroy Batman, I don't buy it one bit especially when you consider that 2 of these guys didn't even debut in the New 52 until Eternal, while the rest were henchmen to people like the Crime Syndicate or just foes of Nightwing and Batwing

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  23. Oh and I almost forgot Ratcatcher. Maybe Batman just quits after Endgame because he got defeated by a bunch of C and D list villains at best

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  24. Now that completely makes NO SENSE at all.... how could he learn that Batman is Bruce just right now, if he already was into cave... and spent some time with Hush. Huh?

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    1. There is precedent for being able to get in the cave without knowing who Batman is-Stephanie Brown did it regularly in the old continuity and Joker has done it in the continuity. But Hush spoke about Bruce to Alfred while the intruder was standing there, so that doesn't make sense.

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